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BluRay's Effects on XBox
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02/19/08 + Kidowan (0)

What do you think the effects of the BluRay triumph will be on XBox sales. I wouldn't call myself a fanboy, even though I own only the PS3, or maybe because I only own the PS3. I think there are a lot of great aspects to the 360, but I am extremely touchy about gadgets that don't work and companies that don't back them up. I've heard of some success stories with the 360 on this site, but every single 360 owner that I know in real life has sent in their machine, usually multiple times, and only one out of about seven has actually received back a machine that works (for now).

SOOO, the point is:
Premise 1: It seems to me that the demise of HD DVD means that 360 owners will NEVER see HD movies unless they buy a BluRay player, since there is no way in hell that Sony will license the format to MicroSoft.

Premise 2: I'm almost certain that the cheapest BluRay player on the market is actually the PS3, and even those are dropping in price with new SKU's.

Premise 3: Experience has taught me that product loyalty and even fanboyism can happen by accident or circumstance very often, as in a situation where a gamer can't play one console and reluctantly switches to another.

Conclusion: It seems like the 360 is going to have a hard time coping with this.

Am I the only gamer that finds HD movies to be extremely important, even crucial? Even without the RROD issues, I would never even consider a console that couldn't play next-gen movies, which is what the 360 now is. What do you all think about it?

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edited: Feb 19 2008 + BestOfWest

I could really care less because i never watch dvds on my consoles either way plus since I've pretty much seen every movie i have wanted to with netflix i don't think i will even need my dvd player anymore... and it won't hurt the 360 that bad unless everyone on the 360 watches Hd dvds and even if thats so poeple will cope with it and by the system for the games and live and buy a cheap blueray dvd player..

02/22/08 +

Aaron11

I'm not sure. Right now, it's pretty obvious to buy a PS3 for bluray. In fact, that's what I'm thinking of doing. But, now that the format war is over, I think it's more logical to wait a year or two for the prices on stand-alone players to go down. That's what I think most people will come to realize. So, maybe the PS3 sales may get a little ahead (not all-time just like a little more than the 360 each month), but in the long run, I think most people will wait for bluray to go cheaper now knowing that HD DVD is dead and the 360 would still eventually pull ahead.

02/23/08 +

djwhetzel | PS3: Whetzel , 360: Whetzel

Quote: Kidowan said: "What do you think the effects of the BluRay triumph will be on XBox sales."

The fact that HD DVD is dead has little to no effect on the 360. That is the main reason why MicroSoft decided to NOT include an HD DVD drive in the 360. Please keep in mind that (for most people anyway) these "gaming systems" are usually bought to play games first and to play movies second.

Quote: We do not believe the recent reports about HD DVD will have any material impact on the Xbox 360 platform or our position in the marketplace, As we've long stated, we believe it is games that sell consoles, and Xbox 360 continues to have the largest next-gen games library with the most exclusives and best-selling games in the industry.

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Quote: Kidowan said: "Premise 1: It seems to me that the demise of HD DVD means that 360 owners will NEVER see HD movies unless they buy a BluRay player, since there is no way in hell that Sony will license the format to MicroSoft."

360 owners will always be able to enjoy HD movies and TV shows via downloadable content. That's what the video market place is for. In fact, MicorSoft would probably much rather digital downloads take off than any optical format. It's much more profitable for them.

The BDA has no problem with MicroSoft joining the Blu-ray camp.

Quote: We have always said that Toshiba and Microsoft, and any other company is more than welcome to join the Blu-Ray Disc Association. We are an open organization, with an open disc standard," said Simonis. He later went on to say that Microsoft and Toshiba would be valuable additions to the Blu-Ray camp.

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Quote: According to BetaNews, Albert Penello, director for global marketing at Microsoft, revealed that while his company will continue to back the HD-DVD for the 360, that because of the external drive capability of the Xbox, that it would be also possible to ship a Blu-ray drive for the game machine if HD-DVD didn't survive the battle against Blu-ray.

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02/23/08 + swhite

Quote: djwhetzel said: "

Quote: Kidowan said: "What do you think the effects of the BluRay triumph will be on XBox sales."

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i dont think it has a huge effect on the 360, but it will have some kind of effect on it, blu-ray for games maybe?? it has a huge effect on the ps3, just think the ps3 will play dvd's, blu-ray's, and have its own digital download service, and use blu-ray for games.

02/23/08 + swhite

Quote: djwhetzel said: "The fact that HD DVD is dead has little to no effect on the 360. That is the main reason why MicroSoft decided to NOT include an HD DVD drive in the 360. Please keep in mind that (for most people anyway) these "gaming systems" are usually bought to play games first and to play movies second."

the reason the ps2 sold so well at first was because it was a cheap dvd player, and alot of people are buying ps3 for blu-ray too. and that is not the reason ms decided to not include an hd dvd drive. it was because they never had a plan to in the begining and it became to late too once they found out sony was going to have blu-ray in there system. they just rush there system out, to just hit the market first.

02/23/08 +

Kidowan

The first Hd DVD player released on March 31, 2006, and the XBox 360 was released on November 22, 2005. Microsoft didn't make a decision not to include HD DVD, they didn't seem to have a choice. What blows my mind is that even though they couldn't possibly get the technology into the first iteration of 360, why wouldn't they adopt it into the later versions, like the elite?

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02/23/08 +

Kidowan

Quote: bestofwest said: "and it won't hurt the 360 that bad unless everyone on the 360 watches Hd dvds and even if thats so poeple will cope with it and by the system for the games and live and buy a cheap blueray dvd player..
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This is my point exactly, that 360 owners are going to want to watch HD movies; those who don't watch downloads will buy a cheap BluRay player; the cheapest BluRay player is a PS3. Therefore, we're going to see a lot of 360 owners buying PS3's. At the least, this will drive up sales in PS3's, and I think gamers who have had problems with their 360's in the past are going to lean towards PS3 as their gaming console.

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02/23/08 + swhite

Quote: Kidowan said: "The first Hd DVD player released on March 31, 2006, and the XBox 360 was released on November 22, 2005. Microsoft didn't make a decision not to include HD DVD, they didn't seem to have a choice. What blows my mind is that even though they couldn't possibly get the technology into the first iteration of 360, why wouldn't they adopt it into the later versions, like the elite?"

hd dvd was released in 06, but it was being made and plan for way before that. ms could of try to put it in, it would of just made the 360 cost more, if ms didnt want to take the loss.

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djwhetzel | PS3: Whetzel , 360: Whetzel

Quote: Kidowan said: "...What blows my mind is that even though they couldn't possibly get the technology into the first iteration of 360, why wouldn't they adopt it into the later versions, like the elite?"

What would you do if you bought a 360 and then later on found out that if you wanted to play the newest games (that would have been on HD DVD) you would have to go out and buy a new system? It wouldn't have been fair to the early adopters if MicroSoft would have included an HD DVD drive in the Elite or newer iterations of the 360.

And like swhite said, it would have made the 360 cost more money and/or MicroSoft would have taken a bigger loss on each system sold.

Quote: Kidowan said: "This is my point exactly, that 360 owners are going to want to watch HD movies; those who don't watch downloads will buy a cheap BluRay player; the cheapest BluRay player is a PS3. Therefore, we're going to see a lot of 360 owners buying PS3's. At the least, this will drive up sales in PS3's, and I think gamers who have had problems with their 360's in the past are going to lean towards PS3 as their gaming console."

I can almost guarantee that MicroSoft will release a Blu-ray add-on, similar to the HD DVD add-on, and it will be much cheaper than buying a PS3 for those who already own a 360.

edited: Feb 25 2008 +

Kidowan

With regards to swhite's note on Microsoft being able to include the HD DVD technology since they had been working on it for years, I don't think that would be the case. Remember that even though the release date on the 360 was November 2005, the actual planning, designing, and production stages went all the way back to 2003. Heck, the machine was basically unveiled at conferences a whole six months or so before it hit stores. On the other hand, when the first HD DVD player hit stores, it was only available in Japan, cost a small fortune and was obviously only for zealous early adopters. You may be right that the technolgy would have cost Microsoft too much to incude, but that's an understatement at best. They would have had to delay their product, which was counter to their whole marketing plan of starting the next generation. Not only that, but even if the 360 cost half of what the HD DVD player cost, noone would buy it. So basically there was no viable choice for MS to include it.

As for DJWhetzel's comment about the add-on factor for BluRay to play on Xbox, based on the quotes above, it does look like the BDA would allow MS to adopt the format, but I'm not sure it would be cheaper than a PS3, considering the cheapest SKU is $399, and even the HD DVD add-on, if I remember right, was $200. It seems like a BluRay add on would cost as least as much as a PS3. Even if it doesn't, I think many 360 owners are going to see the $200 they wasted on a HD DVD add-on as part of the overall cost of watching HD movies. (BTW, just try trading in your HD DVD add-on to Gamestop.) Either way, I would definitely react negatively to another add-on for the 360 as the last straw. For the early adopters especially, after you've bought the wireless add-on, the hard drive, and the HD DVD player, the investment in the system has pretty well maxed out.

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02/26/08 + parkerfresh | 360: PARK3RFR3SH

i dont think this will have a huge effect on microsoft... most people purchase an xbox just for gaming and with the prior knowledge that you cannot watch HD movies unless you either purchase a HD DVD add-on or download the movies from xbox live, i personaly know about 30 people with 360's and have a lot of friends online and only 1 of them has a HD DVD add on, where as the majority of people download the movies (which is the way microsoft wants all software distributed in the future)

i think the only 360 owners that will be put off buy buying a blu-ray player or ps3 for movies are either the ones that cannot afford or cannot justify spending that much money or the poor souls that have been lumbered with a HDD player and loads of movies.

i have no problems buying a blu ray add-on for the 360 (when it comes) or a stand alone player, but there is no way this sony's victory would make me just ditch my xbox... ive owned both consoles simultaneousely and one had to go.

the ps3's popularity is going to recieve a much needed boost from people who want a cheap blu ray player or cannot decide between buying a ps3 or 360 (many will obviously choose the ps3 as it seems like the better overall package), this is gonna be great for the games industry and provide much needed competition for microsoft which will eventually benefit us all as gamers

02/26/08 + swhite

Quote: parkerfresh said: "... ive owned both consoles simultaneousely and one had to go."

u had to though that in there. i dont know why your sites were so high for the ps3 in the first year it came out, but this year is the year ps3 is going to kick ass, so i bet u that u will get another ps3 this year, and eat all the junk u been craping out about.

02/27/08 + parkerfresh | 360: PARK3RFR3SH

to tell you the truth swhite, i could not give a flying fuck what you think... honestly, you cannot write a single sentance on this forum without some idiot jumping down your throat

lol... sights being high, you bet my sites were high after all the hype and the massive price tag

i wasnt having a pop at ps3... i liked it enough to buy one but didnt use it because it was rubbish(at the time), and i can guarantee that i will not be getting another one because i prefer the xbox 360 and that is not going to change... i wouldnt even buy one for the blu ray as i would just buy a stand alone player if i wanted one that badly (which i dont)

please tell me what junk ive been crapping out? everything i have said on this site is either factual or my opinion and i always make a point of expressing that what i write is my opinion... its not like ive just said 'the ps3 is shit' or anything like that because we all know that it isnt and that is blatant fanboy behavior

what i have said and still stick to is the fact that i like the 360 more than ps3, i gave the ps3 a chance and it wasnt for me and doesnt offer anything i want that i cant get or have better on my xbox... its pretty simple so just try to understand that people like different things

edited: Feb 27 2008 + swhite

wow i didnt think u would start crying like that, u wrote me a whole story. u are acting like another chimpy, thats why i said something. sense u came back on here u been talking about how u change your mind after the ps3 didnt live up to u, its first year out. so u drink the chimpy Kool aid, taste good huh? u got to say some smart ass comment at the end of everything u say about it, like we care. i understand that people like different things, i could give two shits if u like the 360 better but i dont want to heard about it in every post u write on here. u like it better... good for u, we understand that, dont want to see it in every post u write, do u understand that!!!??? and u will get another one, i would bet u on that. wait and see. to much good shit coming out for u not too.

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